Data-DUDE!
you ROCK.
anyone else have a #3 talk tonight?
i wrote a talk but i don't like it.. anyone have one written they wanna post?
i'll show you mine if you show me yours!
Data-DUDE!
you ROCK.
yo dudes.. .
i've been studying ttatt for nearly a year now, i'm pretty much convinced wt theology is a crock, but i can't just leave as i don't want to lose family, and i simply can't disappoint my elderly aging parent.. .
i'm prepared for the long game fade (could be a few years), but have been sowing seeds with the wifey little bit by little bit.
Cheers quellycatface, our cong ain't as bad as that, it's quite tolerable really... Some really good decent folk. I think that's what's making the long option doable.. And searcher, my customers won't say anything, and if someone tells on my non tract reporting and I actually get in trouble for it, then I'll cross that ridiculously contemptible Bridge when I come to it!
yo dudes.. .
i've been studying ttatt for nearly a year now, i'm pretty much convinced wt theology is a crock, but i can't just leave as i don't want to lose family, and i simply can't disappoint my elderly aging parent.. .
i'm prepared for the long game fade (could be a few years), but have been sowing seeds with the wifey little bit by little bit.
Thanks Suraj, i'm not bothered about reproof at all, i just want to not disappoint my family and yet wake the missus up. Time i slowed down i think. And kate, my missus has noticed the difference in me since i stepped down, she likes me much more now, and she can see im happier. Shes not at all bothered about position in the cong. We have a right laugh during the meetings, and we have a couple of decent friends in the org although we're not very social creatures.. I suppose everyones different, different things work for different people. I cant believe ive known ttatt for nearly a year now, time flies, so whats another couple years? too long thats what!
i spoke to a ms the other day, trying to get his opinion on the wt we'd just studied at the meeting.
the paragraph where the co didn't know if he had enough money to afford gas for a trip, he prayed and went anyway, and someone donated the exact amount to cover his trip.. my question to the ms was - the wt clearly are saying jah answered that prayer, yet there were a couple dozen jw's sheltering in a kh in the philippines, undoubtedly praying, yet they all died in the hurricane.
how's that work, how can jah answer some prayers but not others?.
I spoke to a MS the other day, trying to get his opinion on the WT we'd just studied at the meeting. The paragraph where the CO didn't know if he had enough money to afford gas for a trip, he prayed and went anyway, and someone donated the exact amount to cover his trip.
My question to the MS was - the WT CLEARLY are saying Jah answered that prayer, yet there were a couple dozen JW's sheltering in a KH in the Philippines, undoubtedly praying, yet they all died in the hurricane. How's that work, how CAN jah answer some prayers but not others?
His reply? It surprised me tbh, he said yes, they shouldn't say things like that, but we must remember the GB are only imperfect men, so they'll say things they shouldn't. I'm going to have to have this convo with him again in the future, and ask him what he thinks to these imperfect men who get things wrong asking him to trust them when it comes to blood.. And whatever batsh*t they're going to come up with in the future that 'may seem unreasonable or unwise from a worldly standpoint'..
Hope I can help him wake up.
yo dudes.. .
i've been studying ttatt for nearly a year now, i'm pretty much convinced wt theology is a crock, but i can't just leave as i don't want to lose family, and i simply can't disappoint my elderly aging parent.. .
i'm prepared for the long game fade (could be a few years), but have been sowing seeds with the wifey little bit by little bit.
True dat DD.
Who was it said 'to know who is your leader - ask yourself - who can I not question?
i would like to thank everyone for the discussions that we've all had.
after all of them i have realized, all of you have made me realized that after all of the stuff i have been through, i just need a good friend.
and regardless of how hostile our discussion could get i have felt that you have all shared something with me that have helped me.
HAhAhA DATA-DOG!!
Seriously BroMike, I was shocked when I first came on here, I suspect it's cos we're so cossetted as JW's, every conversation must be positive, no swearing is ever allowed, we must always tread the middle of the road, not holding any extremes of viewpoints, and always meet others in the middle, trying to see their viewpoint.
The world just isn't like that, people DO hold extreme viewpoints, these viewpoints may differ from ours, and what's more, they may be RIGHT!
I feel that in the org, personalities are dumbed down in a way, we all have to conform to a bland shade of grey, so when we associate with the normal people the contrast is far more visible. It's shocking at first, but you DO get used to it, and start to enjoy the RANGE of people on here!
Celebrate the differences dude!
All the best
the cowardly cap'n
yo dudes.. .
i've been studying ttatt for nearly a year now, i'm pretty much convinced wt theology is a crock, but i can't just leave as i don't want to lose family, and i simply can't disappoint my elderly aging parent.. .
i'm prepared for the long game fade (could be a few years), but have been sowing seeds with the wifey little bit by little bit.
Thanks Suraj, and thanks Designs, isn't it MENTAL that I'm posting on an internet forum about how good it feels to respond to a seasonal greeting with a seasonal greeting without feeling guilty!!!!!!!!!!
You couldn't make this stuff up!
yo dudes.. .
i've been studying ttatt for nearly a year now, i'm pretty much convinced wt theology is a crock, but i can't just leave as i don't want to lose family, and i simply can't disappoint my elderly aging parent.. .
i'm prepared for the long game fade (could be a few years), but have been sowing seeds with the wifey little bit by little bit.
How to say this without sounding like a pompous ass?
Well liked. Used to be a prolific speaker as an elder, I really put effort into my talks, I figured if the people had been bothered to come to the meeting it was my duty to make it as interesting as I could. So I was kind of in demand.
I know ALL the witnesses in my city. MOST of them know me. NONE of them know how I feel right now. (except one - subject for another post later). T
I suspect that my subconscious is trying to get me in trouble to let my wife see how doubters really are treated. And tbh I'd happily take a verbal beating from the appointed men if it wakes her up. But not yet.
anyone else have a #3 talk tonight?
i wrote a talk but i don't like it.. anyone have one written they wanna post?
i'll show you mine if you show me yours!
Sorry for the shameless bump. But I''m dreading this talk like none before. Ridiculous really, I've given dozens of public talks all over the place (confidence in ignorance) but a little 5 minute talk about something where I have no idea whether I believe it or not is giving me the shakes!!
I know that if necessary I'll just parrot 'what we're taught', 'wt says this..' but if possible I'd love to be able to introduce some deniable controversy!
yo dudes.. .
i've been studying ttatt for nearly a year now, i'm pretty much convinced wt theology is a crock, but i can't just leave as i don't want to lose family, and i simply can't disappoint my elderly aging parent.. .
i'm prepared for the long game fade (could be a few years), but have been sowing seeds with the wifey little bit by little bit.
Yo dudes.
I've been studying ttatt for nearly a year now, I'm pretty much convinced WT theology is a crock, but I can't just leave as I don't want to lose family, and I simply CAN'T disappoint my elderly aging parent.
I'm prepared for the long game fade (could be a few years), but have been sowing seeds with the wifey little bit by little bit. Laying the groundwork.
But I'm chomping at the bit, and in just this one month I've noticed that in some ways I'm getting more outspoken, some might say 'brazen'!
1. I've 'come out' to THREE of my customers, telling them all about what a high control group the witnesses are and how it could all go terribly wrong for me.
2. Also, for the first time IN MY LIFE I've uttered the words 'happy christmas', and am doing so every day now to those who wish it of me. It feels polite, it feels normal, it feels natural, and COMPLETELY non-religious! (Surprisingly I haven't been struck by any form of heavenly retribution yet).
3. And I've said in front of witnesses that I'm not going to report my tracts as it's just ridiculous, and they must be getting desperate for new encouraging figures to tout. (ooooooooh what a rebel!!)
These things by themselves aren't anything special of themselves but taken as a whole I can definitely see the pattern developing that I'm self destructing, or at least speeding matters up, which is NOT my plan at all.
Did anyone else out there have a similar long term plan that was scuppered by your own impatience?